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April 10, 2008

Safety concerns mount with Penn Grille

The hearing to discuss the renewal of a Michigan State Liquor Control license of the Penn Grille and Bar has been rescheduled to April 21 to allow the owners’ attorney to study the case.

After several high-profile incidents in the past year including a fight last week that resulted in a patron being charged for assault, Plymouth City Commissioners were prepared to vote on the recommendation on Monday during their bi-weekly public meeting. They agreed to delay the vote to provide the owners of the downtown bar a chance to address the concerns of city officials.

“This would allow their attorney to be brought up the speed on this as he was just brought into the situation,” said City Manager Paul Sincock.

Commissioners and law enforcement officials have expressed concern that the establishment is becoming a danger to the community. According to a report from Plymouth Police Chief Wayne Carroll, 14 individuals have been arrested for drunk driving after leaving the Penniman Avenue bar in the past year.

The bar is also the location where a city officer was forced to use his taser gun while arresting a patron who assaulted another police office last summer.

“The first time that an officer had to use a taser,” Carroll added.

Carroll said he has met with William Farewell and Vince Spica, who along with Chris Knight own the tavern, to discuss the issues.

The incident in the bar last week, which resulted in a man being rushed to the hospital with severe head injuries was the final straw for Plymouth Mayor Phil Pursell.

“Those guys are digging themselves a hole, pretty deep,” said Pursell, who added that that reports from witnesses of the altercation said both men were in the bar from around 2:30 to 11 p.m.

Dave Krupin, a 34-year old Plymouth resident, was charged with assault in connection with the March 31 incident.

“Just seems plain to me they were over-serving. 2 p.m. until 11 p.m. is indicative of that.”

Elected officials and law enforcement officers are not the only entities concerned with the bar.

Jennifer Alt, the owner of Doll House, a children’s toyshop located next door to the bar said she often has to remove garbage, broken bottles, urine and vomit from her property she attributes to drunken bar patrons.

“We’ve absolutely had it with the Penn Grill,” said Alt, who recently filed a non-trespassing order with the Plymouth Police Department barring Penn Grille employees or patrons from her property.

In a letter sent to the city by the bar ownership group, they have indicated that changes have been made to respond to the issues.
Employees have received training from the state liquor control board and the number of drunk-driving arrest attributed to bar patrons has decreased to three in the past six months.

Carroll said their steps of action might not be enough.

“There is not a bar in town that hasn’t had a patron receive an OWI. (Operating While Intoxicated citation) But if we are going to have this level of behavior—and area expected to police it—we’ll need more bodies.”

Calls to the owners were not returned by press time.

The hearing is a two-step process. First, the bar will meet with the City Liquor License Review Commission, which consists of Pursell, City Commissioner Dave Workman and City Commissioner Chris Lynn. After their review, the full commission will discuss the recommendation. Sincock said the city could only recommend a course of action to state liquor control authorities. The final decision is up to the state.

Should the Penn Grille and Bar have their liquor license renewed?

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Reader comments [16]

Apr 11, 2008 | 10:01 AM
Vawney:

Innocent Until Proven Guilty?? How Can Anyone Have An Opinion On Weather The Penn Should Lose Its License Without All The Facts? Its Up To The LCC To Decide Weather They Should Be Discilplined.Readers Of The Paper Are Only Getting The Papers Viewpoint, And Again Thats One Sided. What About The Hundreds Of Customers To The Penn Each Day? Accountants, Lawyers,Doctors Upstanding People What Do They Think? If They Thought It Was An Unsafe And Out Of Control Why Would They Be In The Place With Their Wives And Children? It Would Be Nice To See The Reports On All The Other Drinking Establishments In The City Published? Dont Pass Judgement Until you Have All The Facts…

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Apr 11, 2008 | 12:04 PM
Annonymous:

There should be absolutely no safety concerns for the Penn Bar. The City is just picking on them for no reason. Sean O’callaghans have just as many DUI’s and twice as many fights. If you’re going to shut down the Penn you would have to shut down every bar in Plymouth. As for the DOll House lady she is just miserable and likes to file complaints about all the bars around her. Why are the Penn Grille employees banned from there? I talked to a few of them and they said they have never even been in that store or know who Jennifer Alt is. This is just a waste of time many customers are going to be completely enraged if their liqour license is taken away, me being one of them.

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Apr 11, 2008 | 12:37 PM
betsy bouffard:

u cant blame the grillie for some people who cant handle their drinks make sure they have id and make sure if they are young not to make them strong.. i say yes. give plymouth life u want to take everything way from plymouth. use to be a quiet town but your trying to make into a city i blame the people of plymouth. i use to live here in the 70s and we had dalys and ss kreages. and now look plymouth so this what u wanted . so dont blame farwell and friends he good owner…….

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Apr 11, 2008 | 1:33 PM
Vinny:

Dino for presidente!

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Apr 11, 2008 | 6:21 PM
Penn Supporter:

I am a patron of The Penn bar and grill..i’m VERY upset at the city for CONSTANTLY coming down on them!The food there is fantastik,along with the bar staff, and the owners are wonderful.Many people come to The Penn at the end of the night AFTER they have been drinking all night at Sean O’Callaghans,336,or Doyles for that matter. It is a persons OWN RESPONSABILITY to know when they have had enough to drink.The bartenders are there to do their job, NOT babysit!Whether someone has had 2 beers or 3 shots,you should know you will likely get pulled for a DUI.Do not just blame the Penn…As far as the incident last summer involving a taser, I was there that evening.The taser incident happend AFTER the police closed the bar early,and due to the fact that the tasered person was told they were NOT BEING SERVED at the Penn, and WAS NOT served due to being intoxicated.That person started throwing attitude and punches to an officer outside on the street.Whatever action that person chose after they were told they needed to leave has nothing to do with the bar itself, so please stop blaming The Penn.

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Apr 15, 2008 | 2:07 PM
DavidG:

Vawney
It is whether not Weather. aND wHATS wITH tHE cAPPS?…

Annonymous, did you mean Anonymous? It is liquor not liqour You shouldn’t be allowed to drink if if you can’t spell it.

betsy

There is a shift key on each side of your keyboard. Some punctuation keys too, you should try them. Or is it. sum punctuation keys 2 u should try um.. …..

Vinny

It’s either President or El Presidente

Penn Supporter

Its responsibility not RESPONSABILITY and the space bar is the big one at the bottom. In engish it is generally used after a period. That’s the dot at the end of sentence.

Maybe they should be holding GED classes at the PENN.

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Apr 16, 2008 | 12:30 AM
Viva La Penn!!!:

As a Plymouth taxpayer and HUGE supporter of the Penn, I am totally shocked that the city could do this to them! The bartenders are the BEST there and I have seen them many many times tell people they have had too much and cut them off and even saw people stumble in there drunk from some other place and not allowed in the bar or allowed to get a drink. I know the Penn is planning to re-model and I think this would be a HUGE asset to the city of Plymouth. It’s a great bar!! Don’t let a select 2 or 3 people ruin for the thousands that love and support the place!!

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Apr 16, 2008 | 3:11 PM
Marty D. Spranger:

I have been a patron of the Penn Grille for the past several years. I live and work on the eastside of Michigan, but I spend my weekends shopping, enjoying entertainment and spending time with family and friends on the westside. I particularly enjoy spending time in downtown Plymouth. I love the small town atmosphere with the upscale modernizations. It has been tradition for the past several years for my friends and I to meet at the Penn Grille for the Detroit Tiger’s and Red Wing’s sporting events. I believe that the Penn is under new ownership. I think this all took place over the last year or so? With this change in ownership came new large screen plasma TVs, a more palatable menu and a more pleasant bar and wait staff. This bar is just an ideal place for anyone wanting to relax, have a few drinks and enjoy a few laughs while watching a game.

I have spent my fair share of time in night clubs when I was a bit younger. This bar is nothing like that whatsoever. It is my experience from these types of bars that you have a lot of violence, excessive drinking, and rude and unmannerly people. I steer clear from these bars. There is a bar across the street from the Penn that is a prime example of this. This is why my friends and I frequent the Penn. The atmosphere is much more calm and relaxed.

I am dumbfounded to learn that neighboring establishments have problems with the owner of The Penn Grille. This bar is extremely well kept. It has a very attractive and illuminating appearance. And, furthermore, I understand that the owner is planning on expanding with an outside deck of some sort. I personally feel that the Penn Grille has positively expanded with the advent of the new owner and has a significant and solidified place in downtown Plymouth. I am not certain about how long the previous owner maintained his liquor license for this establishment, but I am sure it was for several years. To say that this new owner should have his license potentially removed is absurd. I would understand if the bar had declined in class and stature since the change of ownership. But, it hasn’t. I am certain of this. It actually is the antithesis to this scenario.

All establishments that serve alcohol are going to have their share of individuals that push their limitations and make bad judgments. These individuals will invariably wind up on the wrong side of the law when the leave any establishment. Let’s face it; one drink today is enough to practically meet your blood alcohol limitation for driving an automobile. Do you think any bar is cutting off a person from drinking even after two drinks? It’s a rhetorical question because we all know the answer. NO.

So I agree with the previous post, and I quote, “What the Plymouth City Police are doing is picking on a particular bar and giving it selective enforcement. You could do this with any bar and get similar results.”

Period!

Marty D. Spranger

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Apr 17, 2008 | 2:59 PM
Jefferson Wagner:

The City of Plymouth isn’t doing anything to the Penn Grille. The Penn Grille is doing it to themselves because they DON’‘T and WON’T take responsibility for themselves or their patrons. What’s wrong with you people?? It is not the City of Plymouth’s responsibility to baby sit the Penn Grill!!!

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Apr 17, 2008 | 3:46 PM
english dummies 101:

David G. Thanks for the english lessons with out you know one would know what you are trying to say. Classes begin May 1st and we would like you to be the guest teacher

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Apr 18, 2008 | 12:47 AM
License Should be Revoked:

Right on Jefferson. The Penn Grill is a BAR that only cares about the almighty dollar and not the welfare of people. The City of Plymouth only wants them to be responsible and respectful of the town and its citizens. The Penn Grill has had too many incidents even after the new owners have taken over, proving that they are also irresponsible. The City should recommend that their license be revoked and are lucky that Plymouth has not been sued or held accountable thus far for the happenings there.

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Apr 20, 2008 | 6:01 PM
Vinny:

DavidG,

Thank you for granting everyone a brush up on American English skills! I don’t know what has become of me since I finished my masters degree with honors at the University of Michigan. Get a life! It’s a blog site, not a masters thesis!

Just a few words of advice to you Dave. If you are going to even attempt to correct someone, at least don’t make yourself look foolish! I speak fluent Italian and I lived in Italy for quite a long time working with the dean of the School of Economics at the University of Padova (where highly intelligent people such as Galileo attended). And yes, I assure you that the word in Italian for president IS “presidente” (mind you no capitalization required). This site was set up as a blog to freely discuss the topic of the Penn not ridicule people that you do not even know on things you obviously have no clue about! GET A LIFE DavidG!!

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Apr 20, 2008 | 6:27 PM
mary pegoraro:

lets keep the penn grill. great food.love the outdoor seating.

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Apr 22, 2008 | 1:46 PM
Penn Supporter:

Thank you David G..was that engish or ENGLISH class you are trying to teach us while correcting me??I believe you just mis-spelled something also….i can tell you are an uptight,conservative,anal person with nothing better to do than make yourself feel good by making others look foolish. Do me a favor David, maybe you SHOULD GO to The Penn,have a couple drinks, and loosen up that ego of yours..

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Apr 23, 2008 | 9:49 PM
Vinny:

Penn Supporter, you are so right! DavidG sounds like a real stick in the mud! He must have many “wasted days and wasted nights” worrying about other people.

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May 1, 2008 | 3:19 PM
Dave:

I think all you people are straying off the subject. Lets stick to the subject.

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